More on “the church”: continuity

Thursday, June 25, 2009

A recent discussion at Church and Pomo fell into what are by now some very familiar grooves, with me asking: “Guys, what is the deal with your obsession with ‘the church’?” As usual, the post and some of the comments performed a weird kind of short-circuit: responding authentically to Christ requires some form of communal life, and therefore we must be loyal to one of the already-existing communities that puts itself forward as being Christian. Criticizing said organizations from the standpoint of Christ is finally incoherent in this view, because they are constitutive of one’s relationship with Christ in the first place. Starting one’s own community from scratch never seems to be a live possibility — if anything, it would probably be dismissed as willful self-assertion that must be replaced with submission to the community. (Apparently the biggest potential problem facing the Christian church is that a group of well-educated people with convictions on average more progressive than the fabled “people in the pew” will somehow assert themselves and try to influence church life.)

It should be clear that I find this whole line of reasoning deeply flawed and even dangerous. But what I want to investigate here is that initial short-circuit between the need for a community and the need for one of these specific already-existing communities. The unstated concern here seems to be one that has always been a part of the broadly catholic tradition, the concern for continuity. In the absense of a normative ideal, however, it seems to me that virtually every social grouping and institution in the Western world is in some sense continuous with Christianity — including capitalism (which we are given to believe we supposedly resist in “the church” through the sheer act of taking communion or something). And if capitalism is in some continuity with Christianity — meaning that Christianity bears some responsibility for the rise of capitalism, something that I think only bad-faith propagandists could wholly deny — then arguably the whole world stands in continuity with Christianity.

Obviously there’s not a complete absense of a normative ideal — anything that looks too much like being “merely liberal” is obviously suspect to these people — but the normative ideal itself seems to be heavily slanted toward the value of continuity as such. Just by adhering to tradition, we’re suddenly really subversive. Meanwhile, the occasional critiques of “the Enlightenment” and various other hints show that we’re dealing with a really strong view of the break represented by the advent of modernity — meaning that “the church” preserves the old good stuff as a kind of foreign body in a modern world that has completely rejected Christianity and self-originated as something completely and irreducibly different. I leave the question of whether this theory of modernity is at all credible as an exercise for the reader.

9 Responses to “More on “the church”: continuity”

  1. Andy Says:

    I agree that there’s an enormous jump there. I suggested once to a bunch of protestant theologians that Augustine’s City of God can be read (although not by Catholics) as a kind of apophatic approach to the institutional church. I got silence and awkward side glances. Result.

    You could argue that monasticism is one big anti-church movement, in the sense that it resists the forms of church that had become definitive of Christianity (but certainly not in the sense of being anti-community as such). In resisting the church in the city, it multiplied the ways of following Christ through embracing the holiness of celibacy, independence, tax evasion, self-ostracism and madness.

    We should remember that some fairly major social reforms have been conducted by religious. What worries me about capitalism (and perhaps to a lesser extent secularism) is its inability to respond to new situations and facts (like suffering, inequality and patent manipulation) and transform itself. This inability may be linked to the dissolution of the monasteries. Certainly Foucault came close to claiming so.

    You could call this approach to community and revolution radical orthodox anti-catholocism. But you probably shouldn’t.

  2. R.O. Flyer Says:

    Good post, Adam. The issue of continuity lies at the heart of it. Of course, this is hardly a new discussion, though it seems to have taken on something of a new form, particularly in RO circles.

    One of the problems I see lies in the sheer reactionary character of much it. The church becomes the place to shore up “the tradition” in order to mount an attack against the onslaughts of “capitalist modernity” or in this case “the nihilists.” Much of it is rooted in a really problematic protectionist mentality that tends to reveal, perhaps more than anything, a very deep sense of insecurity. The flight of evangelicals to Catholicism or the Tradition is, in large part, a reaction, whether conscious or not, to the severe atomization caused by global capitalism. Such a reaction to me seems eminently natural and not inherently problematic. I am happy to see evangelicals engaging other Christian traditions, as long as it doesn’t relapse into a new form of pseudo-Catholic fundamentalism.

    But, the point about continuity is a theological one. Is it a theological mistake to ontologize the church in such a way that it becomes nearly inseparable from the risen Christ? Or should “the church” be understood always in terms of “act”–always in need of reconstitution by the Spirit, and in the freedom of the Spirit?

  3. Charles R Says:

    Perhaps there is also a sense of trying to be a part of the “remnant,” that smaller, authentic but isolated and invisible group of believers God keeps to himself even as the larger group, bearing the name of God, goes astray. Rather than go out and become “sheep of another fold,” they prefer to work within the structures in place and cling to the authentic, since this makes them all the more held in the faith by God.

    But, yeah, there is also the sense about the kingdom, such as the ones casting out demons in Jesus’ name who were not part of the group of disciples, that if we take it that God is the one doing the joining (the lesson “Let no one separate what God has joined together” is bookended with two scenes of attempts to separate out good religion from bad–the alternate exorcists and the little kids), staying within the group as a remnant is not necessary.

    There might also be some influence with the “body of Christ” imagery being an interrelated unity of diverse organs, none of which can say “But I’m not a part of the body because I’m not as useful as that other part” and have this be true. But failing to be a part of the body means a separation from Christ–so you can’t just start your own church, you have to find out which body part you are within the body already as it is.

    But the implicit assumption about that is that the body of Christ is already universal, and that Paul’s use of the Stoic imagery was not meant to be for particular intra-church relationships. We can see that the body imagery works for married relationships (Christ as head, husband as representative head, wife as body, body and head interdependent) without our having to conclude: since all marriages are headed by Christ and there is only the one Christ and the one Spirit, therefore all marriages are really the marriage-body and one universal marriage.

    Since the unity of the body is always the product of the Spirit of the body–it functions as the logos for the corporeal harmony–RO Flyer is probably right to say ‘church’ is dependent upon how we think of the “constituting” work of the Spirit. If we think the Spirit is interested in the big things, we’ll go with a big church. If we think he tends to work in the little things, we’ll go with scattered churches. The Pauline model seems to favor the latter, whereas the Judaic thinking of Peter and James, the former.

    Which means there’s probably room for both (or is this already to side with Paul?).


  4. Wouldn’t a pneumatological articulation of community and/or church eliminate the short circuit of which you speak? Sure, there isn’t a total correlation between the Holy Spirit and the community of Christian believers, but there is some. This is not a justification of the status quo (as I feel like you see yourself arguing against) though it could probably be distorted into that.

  5. mshedden Says:

    Dr. Kotsko,
    I guess I am the unfortunate one who brought this up over at the other blog, but I am pastor so what else am I going to do? (I know lame excuse)

    But I guess what I am missing is how your understanding of the ‘Christ event’ is contingent upon a community of believers (or whatever term you might prefer.) I am not ask to prove a point but I am seriously interested in how this works in your theology. What is it that makes the Christ event also a communal phenomena?
    (It should be noted that I am not really interested in Radical Orthodoxy and happen to agree with Amy Laura Hall when she says “Radical Orthodoxy is neither.)

  6. Adam Kotsko Says:

    Actually, Geoff was the one who brought it up in the post, so I don’t blame you.

    As for why the Christ event requires a community response, I address that in my dissertation. I am a bit wary of what seems to be going on underneath your question, though — if it’s not some historically continuous church, you don’t see how any community-type response to Christ is possible?

  7. Adam Kotsko Says:

    Wilson, I’m not sure I follow — wouldn’t linking the church to the Holy Spirit reify it all the more? Or are you thinking that the Holy Spirit has an event-like or episodic character?


  8. I tried to make an articulation of that temptation for reification when i made the qualification about the status quo…iation.

    The point I’m trying to make is that the Holy Spirit has a presence within the Community of Faith (“see, i am sending my advocate”, etc.). But more importantly, whenever discussions of community or the Church lack the Holy Spirit, they are unable, in John’s language, to acknowledge Christ’s advocate and thus cannot be continually transformed. Thus, existent communities are defended solely because they currently exist and because Christians should have communities (which is the illogical I think you are trying to point out).

    It is not a panacea, but I think it is a more interesting argument about community than is most commonly (and frustratingly) made.

  9. Adam Kotsko Says:

    Okay, that makes sense. I think you’d have to do some work of describing the signs of when the Holy Spirit is working, etc., which gets us back to the question of a normative claim that at least potentially trumps mere mechanical continuity. (Anticipating an objection: Even if one of the ways we can tell is that the HS is disruptive, surely it’s disruptive in a certain way or range of ways.)


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